You guys have to get married and spawn a child, then see which of you can entice the child onto their viewpoint. That’s the only way to save the universe from collapsing after your sudden disappearance.
If you would be so kind.
Why?
I always found this odd.
Yes, he should trust Billie, but he does seem to value Mary. Don’t know why. But he does.
Why does this push your opinion over the edge?
Before, it seemed that lots of people hated Danny for being annoying or self-righteous. I never felt the first one, and I suppose I didn’t ever take Roomies seriously enough to be bothered by the second one.
In one corner, Billie is suggesting that Mary has had sex. In this particular group, that’s a big deal. As she explained to Danny, she was close enough to the supposed scene to hear her (and stayed nearby throughout).
She could have (maybe? somehow?) completely misheard something else for sex, although I find it interesting that Mary hasn’t actually offered any “alibi”. Like, at all.
And in the other Corner, Mary is counter-arguing that Billie was drinking at the party (which is true; she had one drink), so she fabricated Mary’s philandering to make herself look better in comparison.
Now, context completely and utterly aside, Danny sorta kinda is right; either one could be lying, in the most general situation. Now, let’s put in that context.
Both are pretty aggressive towards each other in this scene right from the start, but Mary starts off running by calling Billie a slut. With everyone right there. Now, Billie did call Mary a backstage whore, but aside from that she’s much more civil in this conversation.
Billie’s insult was just a side comment in their argument. Her main crutch in this whole thing is her trust in Danny. Mary consistently and non-abashedly insults Billie right there in front of everyone, and uses those insults as her main arguments.
Billie’s argument lies in telling the truth and trusting her boyfriend to believe her. Mary’s argument lies in vile verbal bullying. So, finally coming back to the original question of why I hate Danny, here’s what Danny elects to do.
Take no side.
I would have been fine with Danny taking a second to disapprove of Billie’s “backstage whore” comment, but after that, he should have rocketed out of that house out of sheer repulsion from Mary. She’s insulting his girlfriend (of quite a few months; this isn’t some fling) with no abandon, and expecting everyone else to feel the same way as her.
No matter who was lying, Danny should not have tolerated that shit. And he has the gall to wonder why Billie’s mad.
Well, it’s not just insults, although you’re right in saying that it seems to be one of her main arguments. Her other is that Billie is holding a beer can. She’s using that and trying to make it seem like she’s cradling it. She points out that Billie is a recovering alcoholic, who just so happens to be with beer on both occasions when she’s telling Danny about what Mary did.
The first, she admitted it.
Here, she’s literally holding the can.
Mary’s argument is that Billie is trying to trash Mary’s reputation in order to draw attention away from her problem.
But yeah, Mary’s argument is relying on insults more than Billie’s is.
I don’t understand why. They’re both his friends, and he’s currently oblivious to the fact that Mary is a two-faced, lying, hypocritical mega-bitch. He doesn’t know who to believe- either one has an equal chance of lying. It’s reasonable to be conflicted and not know.
Why is it any more rational in this instance to believe Billie over Mary?
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So I think you might’ve mentioned in the past that you stopped liking Mary for not really working as a replacement Joyce or as a romantic prospect, but when did you decide to make her an out-and-out villain?
Am I the only one who thinks not turning on a friend is a good idea, even if it’s your girlfriend asking?
Besides, why is no one hating Billie and Mary for doing something as awful as forcing Danny to pick a side?
I understand Danny is kind of a wishy-washy prick but between Mary Smugface and the not-emotionally-stable-enough-for-a-relationship Billy, who can blame him?
Clearly Mary is the evil one here, but this one, very, very specific situation is kinda unfair to Danny.
I mean, he’s known Mary for years, and what Billy is accusing her of seems apparently out of character for her. It’s fair for him to remain skeptical of such an accusation, and it’s not fair for anyone to ever put someone in a situation where they have to choose between two of their friends just because the two of them are fighting.
And while Roomies’s insistence that even the slightest taste of alcohol is eeeeevvvuullll makes me laugh, isn’t Billy a canon alcoholic, who specifically asked Danny to help her stop drinking? You know, what with one of their friends dying due to a drunken incident (that is what we should actually hate Danny for). Who did just walk up to the lot of them holding alcohol which is totally something to bitch at her for.
And if we are REALLY going to get technical here, there’s nothing wrong with Mary having sex- just her hypocrisy, lying, and judgemental attitude for others. Isn’t Billy trying to slut-shame her and tell everyone about it also really fucked up?
The more I think about it, the more Billy seems to be the one in the wrong- aside from Mary’s cartoon villianishness. She came over, flipping out just because Mary showed up- and the only reason she DID show up was to do someone else a favor- picked a fight, had a he said, she said type argument, and was then upset when Danny- who has no rational reason to believe either one over the other- didn’t feel like taking sides in their feud.
I get that you hate Danny, Willis, but perhaps other characters in your old comics acted in completely terrible manners as well due to your then-fucked-up-worldview as well, and not just him.
Danny. DANNY. You are yelling at your girlfriend after one of your horrid friends said awful things to her. Awful things that had nothing to do with the issue at hand. You are a terrible person with no social skills. Go home and try not to murder anyone else.
This is one of those cases when I hate Danny because what he’s doing is just so damn plausible: “Longtime friend vs. girlfriend? Help! Logic, deduction, what is that? I choose NOTHING!…Wait, Billie, why are you mad?” In other words, had I been in this situation at age 20, I’d’ve fucked it up too. Danny Wilcox: Our Cartoon Savior, come to be hated for our sins.
(Though, Billie, that’s not the coolest of ways to go about finding out whether Danny trusts you. Mary has the excuse that she exists to be terrible. You don’t. Sorry, them’s the rules of story.)
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Annnnd Mary’s still smiling like a total bitch.
It’s like Mary is trying her best to make her face as punchable as possible.
I using all the willpower I can muster not to punch a hole through my screen whenever she’s in a comic.
nah, they’re thinking, “GODDAMMIT DOES THIS MEAN NO PIZZA”
Why is Danny friends with any of his friends? Actually, more importantly, why is anyone friends with Danny?
Cuz, and this comes from personal experience, Having Shitty friends is better than soul crushing loneliness.
Also speaking from personal experience…that’s not true at all! Our personal experiences invalidate each other! We both cease to exist!
You guys have to get married and spawn a child, then see which of you can entice the child onto their viewpoint. That’s the only way to save the universe from collapsing after your sudden disappearance.
Someone needs to be the butt.
I don’t know what Danny’s excuse is.
I now finally hate Danny.
Sorry for taking so long.
We knew you’d get it eventually.
As long as you hate Mary, all is good.
If you would be so kind.
Why?
I always found this odd.
Yes, he should trust Billie, but he does seem to value Mary. Don’t know why. But he does.
Why does this push your opinion over the edge?
Before, it seemed that lots of people hated Danny for being annoying or self-righteous. I never felt the first one, and I suppose I didn’t ever take Roomies seriously enough to be bothered by the second one.
In one corner, Billie is suggesting that Mary has had sex. In this particular group, that’s a big deal. As she explained to Danny, she was close enough to the supposed scene to hear her (and stayed nearby throughout).
She could have (maybe? somehow?) completely misheard something else for sex, although I find it interesting that Mary hasn’t actually offered any “alibi”. Like, at all.
And in the other Corner, Mary is counter-arguing that Billie was drinking at the party (which is true; she had one drink), so she fabricated Mary’s philandering to make herself look better in comparison.
Now, context completely and utterly aside, Danny sorta kinda is right; either one could be lying, in the most general situation. Now, let’s put in that context.
Both are pretty aggressive towards each other in this scene right from the start, but Mary starts off running by calling Billie a slut. With everyone right there. Now, Billie did call Mary a backstage whore, but aside from that she’s much more civil in this conversation.
Billie’s insult was just a side comment in their argument. Her main crutch in this whole thing is her trust in Danny. Mary consistently and non-abashedly insults Billie right there in front of everyone, and uses those insults as her main arguments.
Billie’s argument lies in telling the truth and trusting her boyfriend to believe her. Mary’s argument lies in vile verbal bullying. So, finally coming back to the original question of why I hate Danny, here’s what Danny elects to do.
Take no side.
I would have been fine with Danny taking a second to disapprove of Billie’s “backstage whore” comment, but after that, he should have rocketed out of that house out of sheer repulsion from Mary. She’s insulting his girlfriend (of quite a few months; this isn’t some fling) with no abandon, and expecting everyone else to feel the same way as her.
No matter who was lying, Danny should not have tolerated that shit. And he has the gall to wonder why Billie’s mad.
I’m at my limit.
Well, it’s not just insults, although you’re right in saying that it seems to be one of her main arguments. Her other is that Billie is holding a beer can. She’s using that and trying to make it seem like she’s cradling it. She points out that Billie is a recovering alcoholic, who just so happens to be with beer on both occasions when she’s telling Danny about what Mary did.
The first, she admitted it.
Here, she’s literally holding the can.
Mary’s argument is that Billie is trying to trash Mary’s reputation in order to draw attention away from her problem.
But yeah, Mary’s argument is relying on insults more than Billie’s is.
I don’t understand why. They’re both his friends, and he’s currently oblivious to the fact that Mary is a two-faced, lying, hypocritical mega-bitch. He doesn’t know who to believe- either one has an equal chance of lying. It’s reasonable to be conflicted and not know.
Why is it any more rational in this instance to believe Billie over Mary?
Because Billie is clearly upset while Mary is quite obviously enjoying it?
Regardless of who’s lying, Mary’s insults should not be tolerated.
Welcome to the club. We meet at the bar down the street.
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So I think you might’ve mentioned in the past that you stopped liking Mary for not really working as a replacement Joyce or as a romantic prospect, but when did you decide to make her an out-and-out villain?
Am I the only one who thinks not turning on a friend is a good idea, even if it’s your girlfriend asking?
Besides, why is no one hating Billie and Mary for doing something as awful as forcing Danny to pick a side?
I understand Danny is kind of a wishy-washy prick but between Mary Smugface and the not-emotionally-stable-enough-for-a-relationship Billy, who can blame him?
I know Danny’s a screwup and clueless etc. But I just never could hate him. He wouldn’t understand.
Besides, for whatever reason he values Mary as a friend, he does value her. And he is loyal. Which is usually a good thing.
However, Billie is a friend too. So he should not be asking her why she put him on the spot. He should be asking both of them.
You can not win if you are asked to pick between to friends while both staring at you….you are screwed either way. So what did he do.
Of course. He picked one. He’s clueless. Still don’t hate him.
Clearly Mary is the evil one here, but this one, very, very specific situation is kinda unfair to Danny.
I mean, he’s known Mary for years, and what Billy is accusing her of seems apparently out of character for her. It’s fair for him to remain skeptical of such an accusation, and it’s not fair for anyone to ever put someone in a situation where they have to choose between two of their friends just because the two of them are fighting.
And while Roomies’s insistence that even the slightest taste of alcohol is eeeeevvvuullll makes me laugh, isn’t Billy a canon alcoholic, who specifically asked Danny to help her stop drinking? You know, what with one of their friends dying due to a drunken incident (that is what we should actually hate Danny for). Who did just walk up to the lot of them holding alcohol which is totally something to bitch at her for.
And if we are REALLY going to get technical here, there’s nothing wrong with Mary having sex- just her hypocrisy, lying, and judgemental attitude for others. Isn’t Billy trying to slut-shame her and tell everyone about it also really fucked up?
I’m not sure pointing out that someone who calls you a “harlot” had sex counts as slut-shaming. Hypocrite-shaming, maybe.
The more I think about it, the more Billy seems to be the one in the wrong- aside from Mary’s cartoon villianishness. She came over, flipping out just because Mary showed up- and the only reason she DID show up was to do someone else a favor- picked a fight, had a he said, she said type argument, and was then upset when Danny- who has no rational reason to believe either one over the other- didn’t feel like taking sides in their feud.
I get that you hate Danny, Willis, but perhaps other characters in your old comics acted in completely terrible manners as well due to your then-fucked-up-worldview as well, and not just him.
Danny. DANNY. You are yelling at your girlfriend after one of your horrid friends said awful things to her. Awful things that had nothing to do with the issue at hand. You are a terrible person with no social skills. Go home and try not to murder anyone else.
This is one of those cases when I hate Danny because what he’s doing is just so damn plausible: “Longtime friend vs. girlfriend? Help! Logic, deduction, what is that? I choose NOTHING!…Wait, Billie, why are you mad?” In other words, had I been in this situation at age 20, I’d’ve fucked it up too. Danny Wilcox: Our Cartoon Savior, come to be hated for our sins.
(Though, Billie, that’s not the coolest of ways to go about finding out whether Danny trusts you. Mary has the excuse that she exists to be terrible. You don’t. Sorry, them’s the rules of story.)
Sorry to add another note to the moderation queue, but…
Yay! I’m Billie!
It’s truly remarkable how much you loathe your own protagonist.
Originally posted:
December 1, 1999