Would the offspring of two clones even be genetically viable? or at least have potentially serious health problems? i know i read something about this at one point.
If I understand the science correctly, then it would be basically the same as sibling incest since the randomization that occurs during egg and sperm production would pair up more recessive traits than normal.
On the other hand, since making a “female clone” requires some genetic tinkering in the first place, it is possible that the child was not produced via random egg and sperm combo but some more sciency-method that would not have that increased chance of recessive traits.
It’s much worse than your average sibling incest for that; full siblings only share, on average, about 50% of their DNA. (Some share more, some share less: that goes back to the randomization thing.)
Self/self-cest means you’re sharing 100% of your DNA– only half of which is going into your respective gametes, yes, and which exact half is random, but that means that you have much higher chances of recessive stuff popping out immediately in the resulting zygote. (Instead of it taking a couple generations of back-breeding.)
And as for making a female clone…… eh, it might or might not take significant genetic tinkering. Most of our sex differentiation–in humans, I mean–is controlled by chemical signalling, not by genetics per se. Fairly minimal tinkering would be necessary to make a clone with a female phenotype (all you need for THAT is androgen insensitivity).
Fertility… that’s a different story, but, hell, we have a documented case of a 46,XY person with typical female phenotype experiencing menses, pregnancy and birth in expected fashion–their karyotype was only determined after their child failed to experience menses as expected and a full family history was done (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/). The astonishing bit being that even the ovaries were >99% 46,XY or 45,X, with less than 1% of the ovary tissue being 46,XX. No crazy scifi tech involved! We actually have no idea how common something like this is, either, since we only ever bother to karyotype most people after something strange turns up. If nothing ever does… well, hell, I’ve had extensive contact with Western medicine to deal with various crap and I don’t know *my* karyotype because nothing’s come up that it was relevant to test. Most people don’t!
All of which I bother to note, because Brock Doc says his father *mated* with a female clone of himself. It’s not explicit, but it implies sex and pregnancy as the route to, not pure test tube wackiness.
*My* real question is, who made the female clone of the doc? Head Alien? The government?
There’s definitely a universe where Sal and Beef don’t get switched. Of course, it’s also one where SEMME doesn’t exist and Head Alien is a comic book character, so it’s just weird.
I guess I might be weird because I’d have no problems dating an opposite sex clone of myself, though I’m not sure if it’d be a good idea to have children with that opposite sex clone.
Forever the question of if this is equivalent to rosie palms or familial love.
something else
(I seem to recall a Melonpool where Ralph got the hots for his clone Ralphie’s female clone Ralph…ette?)
You might ask Robert and/or Rosalind Lutece.
They never fucked, though. I mean, with each other’s heads, yes, but not in the pornhub variety.
So I guess “Doc” is just his surname then
Wait, wouldn’t that count as incest? Since the female version of Doc has his DNA they are related. Yikes
Yeah, and intelligence is hereditary. Okay, Lamerick.
Would the offspring of two clones even be genetically viable? or at least have potentially serious health problems? i know i read something about this at one point.
Randall Munroe’s What If?, chapter on Self-Fertilization, maybe?
If I understand the science correctly, then it would be basically the same as sibling incest since the randomization that occurs during egg and sperm production would pair up more recessive traits than normal.
On the other hand, since making a “female clone” requires some genetic tinkering in the first place, it is possible that the child was not produced via random egg and sperm combo but some more sciency-method that would not have that increased chance of recessive traits.
… says the English major.
It’s much worse than your average sibling incest for that; full siblings only share, on average, about 50% of their DNA. (Some share more, some share less: that goes back to the randomization thing.)
Self/self-cest means you’re sharing 100% of your DNA– only half of which is going into your respective gametes, yes, and which exact half is random, but that means that you have much higher chances of recessive stuff popping out immediately in the resulting zygote. (Instead of it taking a couple generations of back-breeding.)
And as for making a female clone…… eh, it might or might not take significant genetic tinkering. Most of our sex differentiation–in humans, I mean–is controlled by chemical signalling, not by genetics per se. Fairly minimal tinkering would be necessary to make a clone with a female phenotype (all you need for THAT is androgen insensitivity).
Fertility… that’s a different story, but, hell, we have a documented case of a 46,XY person with typical female phenotype experiencing menses, pregnancy and birth in expected fashion–their karyotype was only determined after their child failed to experience menses as expected and a full family history was done (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/). The astonishing bit being that even the ovaries were >99% 46,XY or 45,X, with less than 1% of the ovary tissue being 46,XX. No crazy scifi tech involved! We actually have no idea how common something like this is, either, since we only ever bother to karyotype most people after something strange turns up. If nothing ever does… well, hell, I’ve had extensive contact with Western medicine to deal with various crap and I don’t know *my* karyotype because nothing’s come up that it was relevant to test. Most people don’t!
All of which I bother to note, because Brock Doc says his father *mated* with a female clone of himself. It’s not explicit, but it implies sex and pregnancy as the route to, not pure test tube wackiness.
*My* real question is, who made the female clone of the doc? Head Alien? The government?
😨…. This is far too confusing and far too overwhelming, if a lot of them just died right there it would save so many people a headache.
As for Brock Doc over here I just got one thing to say- https://youtu.be/T_jYWMUMSxE
So Machete getting stranded is a universal constant, like Joyce shooting Anti-Joyce, Sal and Beef getting switched or Dina being the best?
If I’m not mistaken Joyce shooting Anti-Joyce may not be a universal constant. Isn’t one of these kids Anti-Joyces child?
That’s the universe where Anti-Joyce shot Joyce.
Rather Joyce shooting a reflection herself not be a Willis-multiversal constant.
There’s definitely a universe where Sal and Beef don’t get switched. Of course, it’s also one where SEMME doesn’t exist and Head Alien is a comic book character, so it’s just weird.
Dina, however, remains the best.
I guess I might be weird because I’d have no problems dating an opposite sex clone of myself, though I’m not sure if it’d be a good idea to have children with that opposite sex clone.
Divath Fyr intensifies
Wish we could see a glimpse of Brock Doc’s home life.
We demand a Brock Doc comic! I mean it won’t do us any good, but we demand it anyway.
Brock Doc’s surrogate mom would have been Dina. And his ‘Uncle’ Mike would have been a hoot.
Someone must have told that timeline’s Professor Doc to go fuck himself, and he took it literally.