Why are you in here?
on August 22, 2017 at 12:01 amChapter: Pure
Characters: David Walkerton, Joyce Brown
Ahhh, more stories where Joyce Is Just Me.
I remember my first real romantic relationship. I was absolutely terrified of sin, and she was a lesbian who didn’t know it yet. What an amazingly mutually-safe relationship! I kept my desires successfully bottled up, and she was an unwitting(?) accomplice to my chastity, what with me not having anything for sale that she wanted. And it was safe. So frustratingly safe. WHY ISN’T ANYONE DISRUPTING MY SAFETY i mean yes let’s remain pure i’m glad this was both our idea
Build up those arbitrary guidelines, Joyce. It might be bullshit you’re peddling, but protect yourself until you’re ready.
(and yes, Joyce’s thing with Ethan in Dumbing of Age was, like a lot of stuff, semi-autobiographical)
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Originally posted:
December 10, 2002
I ended up “accidentally” safe for a long time… really wanted to NOT be safe but they were cowards?
¯\_(シ)_/¯
They don’t teach us anything
I don’t like sand.
Give me the keys
Danny’s downstairs, y’know.
WAAAAGH!
They can sleep together on a bed without having sex. I’ve read several stories on reddit and other sites where a man and a woman who are both straight sleep in a bed together and nothing sexual happens. It helps if one or both of them are oblivious to their feelings for each other though.
There’s the joke about a man who asks his rabbi whether it’s permitted for an unmarried man and woman to sleep together. “Sure,” says the rabbi, “as long as all you do is sleep!”
Ha!
Hell, I’ve done in romantic relationships. It’s not that big a deal.
But both of these two – and Willis at the time, had some pretty screwed up ideas about sex and relationships and that winds up putting boundary lines in weird places.
No no, see a sofa is okay to sleep together on but a bed isn’t because uhhhhh……..
Well see no one has ever gotten up to any sort of pre-marital hanky-panky on a sofa.
No sofar anyway … sorry, but there was no way to cushion that …
If Joe was as mean as Mike, he’d have point out that it is perfectly possible to have sex on a couch, ruining that for them as well.
I also dated a lesbian who didn’t know it yet in high school. Did we date the same lesbian David? I don’t think so, but know I’m curious.
So what’s the difference between a lesbian who didn’t know it anda bisexual woman with a very high preference for women?
Denial
It’s still quite possible for someone to have wider romantic attraction than they do sexual attraction, that can be especially confusing at a young age especially when you add in bi-erasure and heteronormativity.
Wow. I knew Joyce was basically autobiographical, but I didn’t realize it extended to the Ethan stuff.
Does this mean Joyce is destined to become an internet pornlord? Though I guess the Ding-Dong Bandit story arc kinda covered that too.
Hm, I guess I understand more now why Walky & Joyce have been my favorite pairing out of all of Willis’s stories and why I was so opposed to Joyce & Eathen in comparison.
I see nothing wrong with a relationship with safe boundaries matter of fact I think that’s a ideal relationship. With Walky and Joyce it’s two people who have total interest and affection for one a nother but want tone take the long, slow, and steady path into a relationship. As for Joyce and Eathen it felt like even though sex was off the table Joyce was ready to rush every other thing about it when the other party involve had no real desire of be truly committed to what seem to be a safe relationship.
Between the two Walky and Joyce is a better example of what this pairing is going for and I agree with the message, it’s better to wait for the right time.
I find this comment funny because Current willis is completely embarrassed by his former self’s sexytime hangups and is currently yelling at joyce “THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SEX YOU MORON”
Fair enough.
But this:
“Build up those arbitrary guidelines, Joyce. It might be bullshit you’re peddling, but protect yourself until you’re ready.”
Also seems to indicate that someone can eventually realize “There’s nothing wrong with sex, you [me?] moron,” but also not be ready to engage in it. And that should be okay too.
Yes, even if that someone’s not asexual.
I personally waited until about age 26. Not because anyone else told me to, but because that’s when it seemed right, with the right person, for me. To me, sex is neutral; it can be awesome; it can also be terribly harmful. Depends how you use it.
I wouldn’t want to hand the keys of my car to most 6-year-olds, even though there might be the occasional 6-year-old who could drive it without hurting anyone. Most societies see age 14-18 as more appropriate for the responsibilities and potential dangers of driving, even though it’s an excellent tool.
I think that with sex, that “age of readiness,” is different for everyone, depending on a lot of different factors. And some people might prefer to “learn as they go,” and get into a few fender-benders here and there (hurt feelings, abusive relationships, etc.) while figuring it out, others might prefer to wait, study, learn, and find a car (er…person) they really trust before exposing themselves to that kind of risk.
Due to a childhood with a lot of exposure to the “dark side” of sex – lots of media depictions of manipulation, abuse, and outright rape – I had a lot of trust issues regarding it. I chose to take the time to sort out those issues, get educated, talk to people I trusted, learn more, confront cognitive dissonance, sort through stereotypes, etc. before I felt like I could have a really healthy sexual relationship. I don’t at all think everyone should be forced to wait the same amount of time – but I think everyone should be entitled to it, without judgement or pressure.
Oh I’m 26 and “untouched” so to speak, but that is a big mess that has a lot of sides, such as never having any girlfriends, being kinda shy to talk to girls, and (After years of examining facts) possibly being Denser than a white star when it comes to anyone else having an interest in me.
was this strip autobiographical at the time, or was it past at this point? also yeah, wow. this makes a lot of things make sense… p.s. i hope your lesbian ex-girlfriend is happy and wears whatever she wants everyday.
It me.
But, y’know, some of partner A and some of partner B, and of course it was my first fake romantic relationship.