Bein’ friends is hard work
on April 25, 2020 at 12:01 amChapter: Gift of the Walki
Characters: Becky MacIntyre, Joyce Brown
Location: Joyce and Walky's apartment
yeah okay i guess jocelyne hasn’t come out to joyce yet
yeah okay i guess jocelyne hasn’t come out to joyce yet
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To be fair, she waited for a WHOLE OTHER UNIVERSE to do the same for Willis
It’s not like any of Joyce’s siblings were really characters over here (which was how it was so easy to cut two out of existence,) but yeah, Jocelyne takes her time on these things.
“Yes, as two women we should be telling each other ALL our feelings… of any nature…”
Did you actually intend for Becky to be a lesbian in J&W or was it just coincidence that there are bits everywhere if you look for them
Or, Jocelyne came out and Joyce is refusing to accept it.
depressingly plausible
also plausible: Jocelyne’s come out (possibly repeatedly) to Joyce and/or other family members and it hasn’t sunk in at any point, because the cisheteronormativity is just that strong
Or Joyce could accept having a sister now, but hasn’t grasped yet that this means she also had a sister in all those memories of them growing up together.
I like that interpretation. There’s a lot of people who seem to miss that particular bit of nuance when talking about trans people despite accepting them otherwise, and I can totally see Joyce as one of those people.
I feel like early DoA Joyce would absolutely have done that.
This late-series Walkyverse Joyce is a lot more worldly. Not to mention she lost a sizable chunk of the church dogma that was drilled into her as a child before she could think about it critically to a mind wipe.
She is still (or once again) “faithful”, but more loosely “religious” than she was. She certainly finds Mr. Toeface off-putting.
Even now in 2020, I think one of the main reasons women are a lot more likely to talk about their feelings than men is because it’s considered a lot more socially acceptable for women to talk about their feelings than for men to do so.
Something of a chicken and egg problem, I suspect.
Are there any societies where that pattern is reversed? Where women grunt their feelings at each other, but it’s socially acceptable for men to talk about them? If not, we’re likely dealing with something more fundamental.
One theory that I’ve heard relates it to our long evolution as hunter/gatherers. When the men were out hunting, it was important to work together but not make too much noise and spook potential game. Whereas when women were foraging for edible plants, they tended to communicate regularly, if only to make sure none of them had been eaten by a leopard or something.
If this is true, then certain tendencies could be wired into both genes and social norms. Of course, the problem with evolutionary psychology is that theories are very hard to test. So, maybe this is how it happened, or maybe it’s merely a just-so story.
Sounds like a just so story to me. You could just as easily say “women gathering without hunters didn’t want to make much noise that would attract predators and so gathered plants in silence while men hunting needed to communicate frequently to coordinate effective hunts” and it would be supported by as much evidence in a world where norms are reversed.